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Looking into screenprinting
« on: May 19, 2011, 07:22:24 AM »
I am looking to make the jump into some small scale screen printing. (Currently looking at this setup: http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bfs/2386962160.html)

Is this a good deal?

Also, what are the must haves, do you need to have a flash dryer and wash out tank or can you get by without them? I am debating on how to make this jump. People make it sound like you can get into it relatively cheap but I have a feeling, which maybe some of you can verify, that if you don't go all in and get the right stuff it will cause more issues than the savings is worth.

What are your thoughts and suggestions? Also, is there a safe mesh size and color that is better to start with that can be sort of a catch all?

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Re: Looking into screenprinting
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2011, 09:09:05 AM »
that unit is a solid machine, as far as a flash unit i had one go out on me and used a heat gun but hated every minute of it, you can find some on ebay for around 2 bills, 110 mesh should be a good catch all since your just starting, if you get this let my know im about to toss out a bunch of screens like 100 of them(getting  deployed) and you can have some if you just pay the shipping im in 78418 for an exposure unit you can use a hologen lamp if you get in to this i can sent ouy some pics of my light table/exposure unit

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Re: Looking into screenprinting
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2011, 11:01:13 AM »
Thought about making this unit http://www.printingplans.com/index.html for personal use but haven't researched it's feedback to see if it's worth while to put together.

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Re: Looking into screenprinting
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2011, 12:33:32 PM »
That looks like a decent setup to get started, and something I would have the space to house! I don't think I would need more than that for colors to get started anyways.

Screenprinting I would be very interested in the screens if you wouldn't mind. I'll PM you when I get home. Just some to get started on would be a great help, even if I don't have the other parts I can at least get a screen made to see how well I can do it. Also.. while deployed.. don't be a stranger.

Thanks for the advice and help guys! Very appreciated!
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Re: Looking into screenprinting
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2011, 02:27:52 PM »
Maybe there is an open market to screen print BURKAS  LOL

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Re: Looking into screenprinting
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2011, 02:51:36 PM »
I want to comment.. probably better over PM's  ;D
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« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2011, 03:10:59 PM »
i agree  ;D

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Re: Looking into screenprinting
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2011, 09:20:52 PM »
that unit is a solid machine, as far as a flash unit i had one go out on me and used a heat gun but hated every minute of it, you can find some on ebay for around 2 bills, 110 mesh should be a good catch all since your just starting, if you get this let my know im about to toss out a bunch of screens like 100 of them(getting  deployed) and you can have some if you just pay the shipping im in 78418 for an exposure unit you can use a hologen lamp if you get in to this i can sent ouy some pics of my light table/exposure unit

i got from 110 to 305 just let me know there open for anyone i just hate to toss them out
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« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2011, 09:37:21 AM »
You can get started with just a flash dryer for curing but you really need an oven.(You won't be able to turn jobs around fast enough without it)  I would just be nervous about screen printing commercially without an oven.  You definitely need a flash dryer for flashing between multi color jobs and any white plastisol on dark garments would require a print flash print...(And white is almost every other job so you don't wanna do without it the flash)  You can build a washout booth for pretty cheap and can find plans online.  Its hard to go without a washout booth of some kind for reclaiming screens.  A pressure washer is nice especially if you are going to print with both water based inks and plastisol because the hybrid emulsions require a pressure washer to reclaim screens because they have water resistant properties.


That press would be fine to start with...I started on worse.  You can start cheap.. I did, but you really have to want to stick it out because it stinks until you have all the right equipment.  When I look back at it I'm proud of the way I started with nothing and built it up but Its way easier to save up money and get everything you need to get the jobs done right with fewer headaches.

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« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2011, 04:55:09 PM »
Wade,
It looks like a solid machine, but IMO it's on the pricey side.  Have you considered Silkscreening Supply?
http://www.silkscreeningsupplies.com/product/lg4x1 ... and they are in your area.

I agree with dkherr, at a minimum you need a flash cure but if you are going to do production work you will need a conveyor dryer.  You can build a washout booth and exposure unit if you are mechanically inclined.  Exposure units using florescent or quartz lights are ok for simple artwork, but I would recommend something better down the road if you want to do fine lines or halftones.

At a minimum you will need, a press, flash cure, exposure unit, screens, squeegees, inks, reclaiming chemicals, a washout booth, and a printer.  I would get a pressure washer for reclaiming.  Without it you will get emulsion buildup on your screens eventually making them useless.
110 is a good general starting screen mesh count. I prefer 160 for general use and 230 & 305 for photographic type images.

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« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2011, 07:43:38 AM »
need screens 230 and up. contact me with cost and availability,
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Re: Looking into screenprinting
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2011, 07:55:00 AM »
Wade,
It looks like a solid machine, but IMO it's on the pricey side.  Have you considered Silkscreening Supply?
http://www.silkscreeningsupplies.com/product/lg4x1 ... and they are in your area.

I agree with dkherr, at a minimum you need a flash cure but if you are going to do production work you will need a conveyor dryer.  You can build a washout booth and exposure unit if you are mechanically inclined.  Exposure units using florescent or quartz lights are ok for simple artwork, but I would recommend something better down the road if you want to do fine lines or halftones.

At a minimum you will need, a press, flash cure, exposure unit, screens, squeegees, inks, reclaiming chemicals, a washout booth, and a printer.  I would get a pressure washer for reclaiming.  Without it you will get emulsion buildup on your screens eventually making them useless.
110 is a good general starting screen mesh count. I prefer 160 for general use and 230 & 305 for photographic type images.


Amipro,
Yes I have been to silkscreeningsupplies.com. Very good service, but their entry level units for screenprinting are usually are pretty high. Not knowing what I don't know I didn't want to just run out and buy a huge expensive set of equipment. It seems like screen printing is a little different market. You aren't dealing with individual markets, but rather large quantities which puts pricing into a whole different game. There are some people who are very hungry for the work so almost work for free. I would be willing to dabble in it but don't know if I am ready to jump in with a few grand at this point. I'd rather get a roland or a graphtec!

Although you did get me thinking. I might just go see if they have a used screen. They will put them out from time to time for 50% off now that I think about it. I could probably just go get one of those on an aluminum frame and start with that.

Is there any preferences of using a wood vs metal frame on a screen? I would assume it is only for warping purposes or keeping a tight mesh.

Thoughts on that anybody?
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Re: Looking into screenprinting
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2011, 12:48:13 PM »
You might want to talk to mountiangraphic.  He has one of the four color presses from Silk screen supply.  A used press is worth looking into.
Is there any preferences of using a wood vs metal frame on a screen? I would assume it is only for warping purposes or keeping a tight mesh.
You're right on it.  Wood frames will warp.  If you are holding your scree flat against the exposure unit using weights, a warped screen will cause problems.   Both wood and aluminum will hold the mesh the same (if they are stretched and glued properly).  I prefer roller frames.  A little more up front cost but well worth it.

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« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2011, 01:03:03 PM »
it is impossible to compete with the commercial screenprinters. they can and do work practically for free.

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« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2011, 01:28:05 PM »
Hey! I will chime in for a moment as I have the four color 1 station from ryonet(silkscreeningsupplies.com). Things I have learned: Get a used unit as you will save a lot of money and it will already be setup for ya lol. Also get atleast a 2 station with micro reg since you will need to be productive in printing and need to have it setup for a flash dryer. Also stick with aluminum frames over wood or even better as Amipro mentioned go with newman roller frames as they will serve you better in the long run with retensioning. Umm also you will need film positives, ink, cleaning chemicals, squeegees of all diff sizes, frames, a printer, exposure unit, flash dryer,software and possible rip, scoop coater and a mutlitude of other items Im sure im leaving off..Not to discourage but stuff that a lot of websites dont tell you bout.

Cold hard fact is that just because you have the equipment doesnt mean you will be printing shirts right off the bat! You still need to learn off contact, how to push or pull a squeege and temp/fabric stuff..

Also it is impossible to be competative with automatics these days..Prices are extrememly low but doesnt mean you wont have business..It all depends on your market area and who you can appeal to.

As mentioned as well go with a used setup..You can get great deals on used,refurb,or out of box yard sale stuff to learn on..Or even build a setup your self however you will want tight registration. I seen a special ryonet had for the same setup I have for 400 off just because it was a demo..lol
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